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senate candidate todd akin. rick, come back. join us tomorrow when we'll be coming t jennifer granholm. tonight in "the war room," on the road again. there are no second acts in american life as f. scott fitzgerald once said. clearly, he never met this guy. it takes some political chops to dismiss every republican economic argument ever made by simply using third grade math. >> republicans $24 million. democrats, $42 million. >> it was an encore worthy of an encore. so team obama, take heed. unleash the crackin'. let bill chill in the swing states and soon we'll be paraphrasing another literary master. the bell tolls for thee, mitt. [ bells tolling ]
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>> jennifer: the obama team has finally released today stumping for the president after he proved how indispensable he is by bringing down the house at last week's convention. >> since 1961, for 52 years now the republicans have held the white house 28 years. the democrats 24. in those 52 years our private economy has produced 66 million private sector jobs. so what's the job score? republicans, 24 million. democrats, 42 million. [ applause ] >> jennifer: he's right! the democrats created those 42
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million jobs. in four fewer years than the republicans had when they held the presidency. clinton himself was a big pirate of that lopsided scoreboard. take a look at this. so since 1962, president george w. bush was the only president who oversaw a decline in jobs. clinton saw the biggest increase. on top of that, for the first time in 27 years he balanced the budget. so overall as clinton said in his speech, the republicans have created a total of 24 million jobs to the democrats whopping 42 million and they did it in four fewer years. so let's take a little trip down memory lane to see what bill clinton did to create all of those jobs. here he is laying out his agenda in his 1997 state of the union speech.
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>> over the last four years we have brought new economic growth by investing in our people, expanding our exports cutting our deficits. creating over 11 million new jobs, a four-year record. now we must keep our economy the strongest in the we here tonight have an historic opportunity. let this congress be the congress that finally balances the budget. >> jennifer: okay. he did that. and he did much more. so check it out. he changed the tax coat to help low and middle income americans. oops. he created college tax credits. he shifted more of the tax burden to the wealthiest. and he created welfare to work tax credits and the earned income tax credit to lift four million people out of poverty. his message still resonates.
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in fact, the majority of americans rated his 2012 convention speech positively. 80% of democrats said it was excellent or good. 76% said the same about president obama. 52% of independents gave bill clinton's speech that positive 35% of the independents felt that way about president obama's and among republicans no surprise really, clinton's speech outexcellented the president's 30% to 13. now clinton is taking his excellent message to swing states like florida and he'll likely get a good response. the wall street judicial nbc poll last month found that nearly eight in ten swing state voters view president clinton positively. and here's what should really concern the romney campaign. their candidate got positive remarks from just over a third only a third of those swing state voters. there's one group in particular
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where bubba might be able to offer some significant help to president obama which is white southern voters. there was a new poll out today from reuters which showed that southern whites who are key to the republican southern states strategy they might not be warming so much to mitt romney. 25% say they would be less likely to candidate who is very wealthy. the same percentage of southern white voters said that they would be less likely to vote for someone who is a mormon. might be time to release the clinton crackin' on those southern white males as well. joining me to discuss the role of bill clinton in this campaign is former san francisco mayor willie brown. thank you so much for joining me again inside "the war room." >> nice to see you. >> great to see you as well. so what do you think president clinton brings to the obama campaign? >> president clinton is probably the most popular politician in the country. at this moment.
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he's also a politician who wasn't a part of the primary fight. he wasn't a part of all of the ads. he hasn't been a part of any of what has gone on in washington over the last two or three years. he really is kind of a breath of fresh air and he is so natural! when he speaks he you. that could be 50,000 people in the audience. but each of those 50,000 view bill clinton as talking directly to them and he engages them. by the end of his conversations with each of them, they've bought the package. >> jennifer: do you think that he can explain things or not just explain, can he say things that president obama cannot say? >> no. he can say things that president obama can say. he can also say things that wouldn't sound right coming out of president obama's mouth. obama can say them but they wouldn't sound nearly as
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convincing -- they come out as being arrogant. they would come out as being bragging, they would come out as being something that nothing like that has ever occurred to bill clinton. so bill clinton is in just a great, great position. he also has the credibility because he has criticized obama on previous occasions and he away from what he previously said. he has disagreed with obama. he's disagreed with everybody in the world of politics at one time or another. and then finally, he actually talks to people, not because they're democrats or because they're republicans, he talks to people. and that's the credibility that is missing from either romney or obama. >> jennifer: you speak about credibility. course, one of the points of his credibility, is as you described it, he has previously criticized president obama. here is an ad, i would love for you to take a listen to that the
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romney campaign is running ewings president clinton to make their point. take a listen. >> what did bill clinton say about barack obama in 2008? >> give me a break. this whole thing is the biggest fairy tale i've ever seen. [ laughter ] >> jennifer: do you think that clinton in 2008 is going to work when clinton is actually so clearly in obama's camp now? >> the republicans have fallen prey to bad advice. under no circumstances should they even -- should mention bill clinton because to attack bill clinton puts him in a position where they are touching what is considered to be wonderful quality product! and you just can't get away with doing that. >> jennifer: and doesn't it invite him to rise up in response? >> he will have so much fun.
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so much fun. he will say very clearly, this is what i meant. and it was a big great story in america. black man -- not raised directly in the confines of the urban ghettos, a harvard graduate. community organizer, he has all of the qualities and he disdains politics and bill clinton was saying he didn't do it the way all of the rest of us did it. it is unique and it is an incredible story that all of us so richly loved and the nation so deserved it. it was hope and change. and bill clinton can have a ball literally discussing that. >> jennifer: now last night we were talking about the romney strategy and romney strategy of rallying the g.o.p. base, confusing the middle and suppressing the vote on the left. that voter suppression issue is one obviously that they hope has
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impact because they can decide who gets to help select the president. there was a report yesterday issued by common cause saying that voter suppression is happening not just with voter i.d.s but on the day of election. there is a lot of voter monitors. do you think that that is actually going to have an impact? >> i think it can have an impact. the world of politics and campaigns that i've been involved in, occasions, on example, when people have put people who look like custom agents walking around the polling places and places like orange county, we sued them and we won in that case. >> jennifer: to intimidate voters. >> absolutely to. discourage voters. that will be tried. there's been a call -- of a million volunteers among the tea party types to do what they can to push voters away from the polls. you would think in america, we would be about trying to get
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everybody in the world to vote. hopefully standing in line for hours if they had to. but that's not the way some of these people want to play the game. they want to reduce the number of people who are casting votes. they don't want racial minorities to vote at all. and it's that voter suppression is focused on racial minorities, on students, on people who are new to the voting process have just been sworn in as new citizens of this nation. and it is unfortunate because it goes counter to what this democracy is all about. >> jennifer: exactly right! all right mayor, thank you so much. as usual, you're so clear. that's honorable willie brown former mayor of san francisco. thanks for joining us. up next, if we don't figure out a way to get more manufacturing jobs in the united states, i just might have to start yelling. plus, it's tough to turn on the tv and not hear about the 1% or
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the middle class. we're forgetting about another group in more ways than one. later, it amazes me that in a country of 300 million citizens, this election will come down to just a handful of voters in just a handful of swing states. this is "the war room" on
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>> jennifer: now to my point which is about my obsession i am obsessed, obsessed with cracking the code to getting
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more manufacturing jobs in the united states of america. i've been looking at the made in label of everything around this desk. my beautiful tigers cup made in china. my shirt my jacket, my shoes made in china. this computer, made in china. these pens, made in japan. this etch-a-sketch from ohio art made in china. my phone made in taiwan. my glasses made in denmark. it makes me so sad and frustrated that these products all around me support jobs overseas. i've been losing sleep over this but what about us? what about us as in the u.s.? well looking around, i did experience one moment of joy. this expo dry erase marker is proudly stamped made in the u.s.a. they're made by sanford
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corporation in oak brook illinois. it is owned by newell rubbermaid a multinational company on the fortune 500 list, about 20,000 employees around the world but these dry erase markers were made in the u.s.a. it made me want to order more but we only have one white board. when president obama told the democratic convention that we can create a million new manufacturing jobs in the next four years, i was on my feet! and i'm not alone. admit it. admit it! you want products stamped made in the u.s.a., too. you want the quality. you want the jobs here. you want to feel good about buying american products. but it's hard to find that feeling when manufacturing jobs have moved to low wage countries but maybe that's changing. "the washington post" reports that middle class shoppers in mexico are flocking to american stores and products and that american exports to mexico have grown to $198 billion last year.
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up from a $41 billion in 1993. and there's more. for the first half of 2012, american exports set a record of $773 billion in goods. the u.s. now on a pace to exceed the record $2.1 trillion in exports we saw in 2011. fantastic! why? because made in the u.s.a. is becoming synonymous with quality and prestige. so much so that american brands are actually status symbols in other countries. it's becoming that way. in fact, american companies are starting to onshore their manufacturing. they've discovered that wages are rising and transportation costs are volatile and american craftsmanship is second to none. providing quality and consistency that's much more important for retaining customers than a cheap price tag. so some smart businesses are making the smart business
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decision to come on home. now, just imagine imagine what we could do if we created a national policy to encourage onshoring for everyone? i've got some ideas on how to do just that. you can check it out at current.com as part of a politico column that i write. at the convention, president obama also announced a goal to get one million more manufacturing jobs. he's up against republicans though who must like their products made in china. the american jobs act that president obama introduced last year offered businesses payroll tax incentives for hiring americans. congressional republicans blocked the measure. the president also proposed ending tax incentives for companies that offshore jobs and profits. but that sits in congress because republicans don't agree. in contrast to the president's actions, mitt romney's tax plan would actually encourage the offshoring of american jobs. under romney's plan, an american
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company that builds overseas or has already moved there would be permanently free of u.s. taxes. the center for american progress estimated that not only would romney's plan cost over $130 million in lost tax revenue that plan, by mitt romney would also cost america approximately 800,000 jobs. unbelievable! folks, we need some healthy america-focused obsession from our congressional leaders. so congress, could you please lose some sleep over creating good manufacturing jobs in the u.s.? ahh, made in the u.s.a. are there any sweeter words? >> jennifer: i suppose ending poverty as we know it would give those words a run for their money and then again the two phrases are not mutually
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exclusive. we're going to talk about that
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1c >> there's no hope for the industry. there's no industry moving in and then no jobs at the end of the training program. because of the cutback demands on our federal budget in washington, the war in vietnam. even these training programs are being cut back. people are being cut off. they have no place to turn. so they're desperate and filled with despair. seems to me that this country is wealthy. wealthy as we are this is an intolerable condition. >> jennifer: that was senator robert f. kennedy from his historic poverty tour of 1968. sadly, those same words could be spoken today. in 1968, america was at war in vietnam, of course, today we're fighting in afghanistan. 37% of school children in 1968
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received free or reduced lunches. today, 56% do. the percentage of americans living in poverty in 1968 was 12.8%. today, it is 15.1%. poverty is a topic you won't hear president obama or governor mitt romney talk much about on the campaign trail. and that has got our next guest fired up and motivated. tavis smiley is the author of "the rich and the rest of us." he hosts his own show on pbs. he's a long-time advocate for the country's most vulnerable and tomorrow, he along with theological professor cornell west, kick off their poverty 2.0 tour. the tour coincides with new numbers to be released tomorrow by the u.s. census bureau. those numbers expect to show that america's poverty rate is the worst in half a century. tavis is coming to us tonight from broadview heights ohio.
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welcome inside "the war room." >> governor granholm, good to be on your program and congratulations on a powerful speech at the democratic convention. i know that our mutual friend was smiling ear to ear at that brilliant presentation of yours. >> jennifer: the judge. i clerked for judge keith. he's like family to me. tavis, too and to a lot of us. it is nice of you to say. so tavis i just was talking about what needs to happen in our nation to create jobs. what do you think -- why is america's poverty rate at record level? >> in short the poor continue to be rendered invisible in this country primarily because the poor as you know, governor, don't vote at the same level as the elite and you certainly know that the poor don't make big campaign contributions and both parties, republicans and democrats are bought and bossed by big banks by big business, by big money. so the poor always seem to be
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relegated to the margins. i've always believed as dr. king did that budgets are moral documents. budgets are moral documents to. quote that great philosopher jay-z, you can say what you say but you are what you are. it allows us to know what you are. the bottom line is this, the job numbers you have been discussing the job numbers that came out last friday, combined with the official poverty numbers tomorrow are going to give a very clear picture and the picture is simply this. poverty is the new american norm. poverty ought to be an normal in america but it is the new normal and we cannot abide another campaign for the white house like the last time in 2008 where the issue doesn't even come up. >> jennifer: so before we talk about that because i do want to talk about the politics of it and your pushing sort of from the left on the president and others but if you were president, what solutions would cut down the poverty rate in america? >> that's the ultimate question.
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in this book, dr. cornell west and i co-wrote, the rich and the rest of us, it is a poverty manifesto. we lay out ten poverty-reducing, poverty-eradicating ideas in the text. this is not a skill problem. it is a will problem. they don't have a will to make poverty a problem. there is a reason why women and children are falling faster into poverty than any other group of americans. we can talk all day along about lilly ledbetter at the democratic convention. i'm glad the president did that. it was a historic day. but we've gotta get serious about poor people as well. and the president number two ought to call a white house conference on the eradication of poverty. bring all of the poverty experts together. let's craft a national bipartisan plan that would allow us to cut poverty in half in ten years and eradicate it in 25. again, those plans exist. there's just not been the will in washington to make this a serious issue like lyndon
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johnson did. progressive tax code, the book lays out ten ideas. i've given you three or four of them right now. >> jennifer: here's what i'm obsessed about. i think that the structural changes in our nation's economy have meant that the good-paying middle class jobs have gone somewhere else and we've got focused, like a laser on getting good, advanced manufacturing jobs in america. we haven't had the policy in the right place to be able to operate jobs that would lift people out of poverty. i don't think it is all demand side solutions. i think we've gotta focus on the supply of good-paying jobs as well, don't you think? >> i couldn't agree more. this nation, as you well know having been the governor of the great state of michigan, this country has lost its position as the world's leading manufacturer. that's a travesty. with that distinction went a whole lot of good paying jobs. right now in washington, now that congress is back in session. what they ought to be talking about is raising the minimum wage. just to get back to 1960s levels, we would have to go to
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$10 an hour. when president obama ran for office, he ran saying he wanted to eradicate poverty. haven't heard much in the first term respectfully. he ran saying he wanted to raise the minimum wage to $9.50. we need to be talking about a living wage and not a minimum wage. the fact that democrats when they controlled the house and senate for the first two years didn't put this on the agenda. the fact that they're not fighting for it now says to me that again the poor not being prioritized. >> jennifer: wait now. so here's where all of the democrats get up in arms hearing you talk that way about our president and i'm wondering because we talk a lot on this show about voter suppression. isn't the disparaging of the president, a forum of depressing a bit the vote on the left. >> i think it is. but at the end of the day that, can't be an excuse. at the end of the day the president and those who support him have to draw a line in the sand decide we're going to
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fight. my granddad said to me all the time, tavis, there are some fights that ain't worth fighting even when you win but there are other fights you have to fight even if you lose. the american people want to see an american president who will stand up and fight for them. a president who will be transformational and not transactional. a president who would be a statesman and not just another garden variety politician. the president can't always compromise and capitulate. at some point, you have to stand up and fight. i believe if you do that, particularly given that one out of two americans right now is either in or near poverty. that's 150 million people in or near poverty. so if you fight for those people, i gotta believe that they're going to stand behind you if they see you pushing programs that benefit them. >> jennifer: tavis tell me, are you going to support the president in this election? obviously the alternative is not acceptable. are you going to support the president? >> dr. west and i have said consistently on this and so many
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other issues that barack obama is certainly much better than mitt romney. no doubt about that. but that's not the debate. the debate is how we make barack obama a better president even if we support him. let me put it this way very simply. great presidents aren't born. they're made. they have to be pushed into their greatness. in other words, there is no abraham lincoln if frederick douglas isn't pushing him. there is no fdr are randolph isn't pushing him along with eleanor roosevelt. there is no lbj if there is no m.l.k. pushing him. great presidents have to be pushed so sometimes you have to fight with your friends. you have to remind them what they said they were going to do. be the wind at their back even when you support them, you have to push them sometimes. >> jennifer: just don't push people into a state of depression so they don't come out and vote. that's the only thing i'm concerned about. real quickly i just -- obviously many people are saying that the president especially this president, is not going to be coming out talking about, for
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example, poverty because they brush him with the president that is a welfare president. strategically, do you think that -- what's your reaction to that? >> i don't buy it. it is a bunch of nonsense. last presidential debate, the word poor or poverty didn't come up one time. obama didn't raise it. mccain didn't raise it. the moderators didn't ask about it. poverty is threatening our very democracy. poverty is a matter of national security and the problem with washington is too often everybody wants to strat gize and poll test. this is about right versus wrong. the president has to address this issue. i'm sorry. >> jennifer: tavis you are just an awesomely persuasive soul. i know you're fighting the right fight and i know you'll's continue to fight to get people out to the polls because you started by saying it is important that the poor have a choice and they can't have a voice if they don't vote.
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tavis, thank you for joining us inside "the war room." that's tavis smiler, co-author of "the rich and the rest of us." >> up next, we'll play a little electoral math. every vote matters but if you're living in a swing state my, does your vote matter! [ male announcer ] the 2013 smart comes with 8 airbags a crash management system and the world's only tridion safety cell which can withstand over three and a half tons. small in size. big on safety. the natural energy of peanuts and delicious, soft caramel. to fill you up and keep you moving, whatever your moves. payday. fill up and go! um, miss ? you have hard water stains and that cleaner's not gonna cut it. you need lime-a-way. it's 4 times more effective at removing limescale than the leading bathroom cleaner.
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votes up for grabs. up here has got the electoral countdown based on the red and blue. doesn't have the yellow states in it. so obama right now ahead 237 electoral votes to romney's 191. of course, you need 270 to be able to clinch a nomination. so i want to share with you polls that were released this past week. some today. some over the past few days. it gives you an indication of how the electoral map changes when the polls are added. so virginia, so if i'm going to put virginia in romney's camp because today marketing came out with a poll that says romney beats obama today 49% to 44%. 13 electoral votes to romney's total. ohio, that goes to obama. same polling. gravis marketing. obama, 43. that adds 18 electoral votes to
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obama's column. north carolina, north carolina we're going to get to obama. 1 point romney. that was yesterday. yesterday was also florida. that too goes to obama. 48 to 47. very close. both of those. florida is the motherload. 29 electoral votes in florida. the final state that we have information from is colorado. recent information colorado has obama at 49%. romney at 46%. i must say colorado rectoral votes is nine. colorado and florida their poll was done, both of them, before the democratic national convention. so for insight into how the obama and romney war rooms are dealing with these polls, you can see this map has obama now just goes that way without the other swing states at 308. well enough to clinch the nomination and romney at 204. romney has got to turn up the heat.
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we're going to turn democratic strategist donnie fowler, veteran of the last four democratic presidential campaigns. he now runs his own consulting firm. dog patch strategies. welcome inside "the war room." let me ask you donnie because you know you have studied this kind of stuff. which state do you think is the most important? >> ohio. >> jennifer: really? tell me why. >> because no republican has ever won the white house without winning ohio. >> jennifer: okay. let me reset the game here. all of the swing states are back up with nothing on. ohio goes -- >> for obama. >> jennifer: ohio goes for obama. >> now obama needs -- if he gets florida, it's all over. let's say he doesn't get florida. he only needs two more states of all of the yellow states. if obama wins ohio, he only needs two more states. which means -- let's flip it. the path to romney is really difficult. >> jennifer: look at this.
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if obama wins florida check this out. romney has to win north carolina virginia, new hampshire, ohio, wisconsin iowa colorado and nevada. he's got -- if obama wins florida, romney has got to run the table. and then he only wins by two electoral votes. >> if you're obama and you're romney, i would rather be obama right now. the math works better. this doesn't mean obama is going to win. nobody sit on their butts and forget to vote but florida and ohio are absolute -- almost absolute must wins. >> jennifer: now wisconsin you've got -- in fact, in this case wisconsin i'll put as a red because of paul ryan. however -- >> hometown boy. >> jennifer: paul ryan has started to run campaign ads for
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his congressional seat. does that put wisconsin back into play for obama? wisconsin hasn't gone for a republican for 40 years. but because of romney, it's got a better chance. does him putting campaign ads for his congressional seat on the air in wisconsin suggests he's not serious about being vice president? >> it suggests he's covering his bases. joe lieberman did this in 2000 when al gore picked him to be vice president. i'm going to run tv ads and make sure i get re-elected to the house of representatives. ryan can't be both in the house and vice president. so he's a little -- >> jennifer: let me share with you another set of polls. this is from cnn. 59% of voters think that president obama is more likely to win the debates.
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34% romney will. in the expectations, is it better to have people believe you're going to lose or win the debate? >> usually, it is better to have low expectations and overperform. the voters have firm views of governor obama and what they're looking for are answers to issues and values. not this question of expectations. >> jennifer: that's so interesting. >> substantive set of debates. >> jennifer: i'm going to be interested in what happens too. one last question. "washington post,ance" news, registers voters ask who would you rather invite to dinner at your house 52% favored obama. is this a frivolous question or does it matter? >> my friend said jeff could take him to dinner because he can get lobster and steak.
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it sounds superfluous and surface but it matters because voters don't want to know about their issues until they know they can trust you. >> jennifer: thank you so much for joining us. donnie fowler of dog patch strategies. coming up, if we didn't mention your state in the context of the election, don't worry. it is a big menu, folks. mark mckinnon is going to ask him to break down the battle. he has a path to enter "the war room"
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advisor to george w. bush. welcome back inside "the war room." >> hey, thank you, governor. let me just say as one republican who is a big fan of your speech at the convention. you microwaved the joint. it was something to watch. it was terrific. >> jennifer: they may not let you back into the republican party after you just said that. thank you for saying that. you were very gracious. it was fun to do. let's start in connecticut where linda mcmahon world wrestling entertainment fame. she's leading her democratic rival, congressman chris murphy 49% to 46%. this is connecticut. you would be hard-pressed to find a bluer state. how do you explain linda mcmahon's lead? >> i think it is hard to explain because what we're seeing this year is a lot of reliably democratic states going wisconsin like connecticut. indiana and north dakota going
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democratic. so this is sort of the year where the presidential race is so close that i think we're going to see senate races fall or rise on their own accord and unlikely to be really affected that much by the presidential race except in a state like new mexico where republicans had high hopes for heather wilson. the fact that romney is not doing well could affect new mexico. >> jennifer: connecticut is an interesting state because she lost by a pretty wide margin last time she ran. so let me jump states and talk about that indiana senate race. remind our viewers it pits richard mourdock against donnelly. mourdock was primaried. richard lugar -- indiana is really red. how can it be that donnelly is giving him a run for his money? >> precisely because we knocked out a very solid and very
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sceivetive senator lugar who had a lot of respect and a lot of credibility with independent voters and elected somebody who's much further to the right. he was a tea party candidate. and this is just -- this is an example of what happens when the forces of the far right dominate the primaries and elect somebody who's not as attractive to independent voters. >> jennifer: you're so reasonable. i love having you on the show. i want to give all of those republican viewers, both of them who watch the show, some hope. president obama does not have a chance in heck probably to win north dakota. democratic senate candidate heidi hasn't appeared on the ballot since losing 12 years ago. she's a former attorney general. she's doing well in her contest against rick burg. north dakota, really red. what's going on there? >> well, let me ask you. did you know her when you were
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attorney general? >> jennifer: yeah. >> what do you think about her? >> jennifer: she is utterly charming. she's totally a north dakotan. she is through and through. we've had her on the show. she's fabulous and she has a compelling personal story as well. >> i think in states particularly like north dakota, if you have some sort of regional flair it makes all of the difference in the world. >> jennifer: another really hot race is wisconsin. former governor tommy thompson is leading in the polls over his democratic rival tammy baldwin. do you have an explanation? can you parse that out in wisconsin? >> yeah, i think -- this is a case where tommy thompson got really lucky and had a couple of conservatives split their votes which allowed him to take -- to win the primary. and i think that baldwin would have been a much better shape
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had it been one of the other -- one of the conservatives who won that because it is wisconsin. you have somebody more moderate like thompson. even though he's been there forever. he's still seen as a more moderate choice and baldwin i think for wisconsin, for a lot of voters is seen as too liberal. >> jennifer: back in the day tommy thompson would have been leading the forefront on conservative movement like welfare reform. do you predict really quick prediction democrats keep the senate or do republicans take it back? >> i think it's going -- the tie's going to have to be broken by the vice president whoever that is. >> jennifer: there is a political answer. mark mckinnon, cofounder no label. up next, is the chicago city strike a local issue? we'll head out to
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rr jennifer speaks truth to power. >>the bottom line is we need an amendment. >>now it's your turn. connect with "the war room" jennifer granholm. >>it's a call to arms. make your voice heard. >> jennifer: chicago teachers took to the streets today for the second day of their districtwide strike and one of the biggest issues is a new system that uses student test scores as 40% of the teacher's
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yearly evaluation. mayor rahm emanuel defended the new evaluation system and he says that the issue is one of the last sticking points in the negotiations. so it is not just about those evaluations. the teachers are also striking over pay and benefits and facilities and classroom conditions. some parents are really sympathetic to their concerns. >> i kind of understand what they're trying to do in order to get theirselves situate and their livelihood but this is not just them. it is her education first of all and then my paycheck. >> jennifer: parents might be sympathetic now but we'll see how long that lasts. if the strike continues. joining us from chicago on the ground is journalist james warren, the chicago editor for the "daily beast" "newsweek" and he's the former managing editor of "the chicago tribune." jim, welcome back inside "the war room." >> and chicago public school parent with a 3-year-old and 8-year-old i'm trying to figure
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out what the heck to do with. >> jennifer: you're the perfect guy to talk with. are you mat? >> well, you know, a couple of more days and i will be angry. who am i going to vent toward? am i going to vent toward distinctly militant union which has taken on our new mayor? am i going to vent toward rahm emanuel, someone who unlike a senate candidate you just referred to, can't be necessarily characterized as utterly charming which may be part of the problem here. you've got a pretty lousy personal dynamic between the union leader and emanuel. i think that we could start over and get those two guys on a similar wa length, we wouldn't -- wavelength, we wouldn't be in this mess. >> jennifer: do you think it is a personal thing? >> i think it is both ideological. we have a union who despite its sponsorship, has been much more militant than others around the
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country that the leader here former chemistry teacher named karen lewis and failed stand-up comic, she is a bit of a folk hero so far among rank and file around the country because she is taking on the city in a way that other union leaders around the country haven't. ine on issues like class -- even on issues like class size. some unions have said we can go with slightly larger class sizes as long as some other benefits are assured. she's going for the whole kit and caboodle here. she's also got in hand a pretty decent raise. something that amounts 14, 15, 16% offered by a city that cannot afford that. but most important to her now is the whole issue of recall. when you get laid off do you have first dibs at the next vacancy? the sort of benefit and provision that teachers around the country particularly in big
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cities had for decades. but not in chicago under state law since 1995. >> jennifer: do you think the recall issue is more important than the evaluation that seems to be at the crux of the dispute? >> the evaluation is a little complic ethed. it is actually 30%. student test scores are suppose to the amount to 30% of evaluation. the city wants to hike that to around 40%. i think the big issue is recall. they want to have the right with one of their folks are laid off to get first dibs. again, it is something one has seen around the country. they lost that in the mid 1990s and it clashes with rahm emanuel's perspective on the situation which is that the system is busted, principles have to have much more discretion and they should not be forced to hire somebody just because they happen to have been laid off previously. they should be able to hire whom they consider the best person. that's where the rubber meets the road. i'm not sure where they're going
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to wind up. >> jennifer: do you think public sentiment -- people will be patient for a couple of days. after this week, do you think that it will start to flip? >> that's my personal view as a parent. it is just getting frustrating. what am i going to do next week? the initial polling on this, i think by the "chicago sun-times" shows a plurality not a majority, high 40s supporting the union. high 30s supporting the mayor. but there is some real political peril here for him if not necessarily as some had suggested for president obama whom rahm emanuel served loyally. it is high stakes to say the least. >> jennifer: high stakes and we're going to be following it. thank you so much for coming inside "the war room." and to all of you at home, join us back here tomorrow night because we have got a great show lined up. so enjoy all you political junkies, your evening. but believe me, you're going to have to get the
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